I know it's "recession" but...

Come on, it irks the f_u_c_k out of me, that people use that line all over the web, when it comes to buying designs or templates...

Usually people b_i_t_c_h, because a design isn't coded. Then when a design IS coded, they want more pages coded and more bells and whistles done for a super cheap price. What the h_e_l_l!?!? I know times are tough and all that junk, but come on! I don't go up to you and say... "I'll buy your car for 50 cents, and the house for $10.00! Hey, it's recession!" ...

Like the t_w_a_t, in mjwalsh's thread here:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1384907

The same goes for general workers. The company doesn't say... "Well Steve, you worked for us for 80 hours this week, but we'll pay you for 10 hours. Hey, it's recession!". People don't care if you WORK online, they just want the cake and eat it too, plus the bakery shop that the cake was made in for the low price of nothing.

Online work, design or coding, IS work period. There shouldn't be a way out of pricing period. It's b_u_l_l s_h_i_t, no matter which way you slop it and shovel it around. People pay for a car full price usually at a car dealership. They can haggle it down a little bit, but not to the price of a pack of gum though.

The only guys here that I know of, that doesn't drop their prices for anything, is "toughshot" and "enigma". I think people need to keep firm on their prices, regardless of the "recession" or whatever you want to call it. Although, you might not get sales fast enough, because people aren't spending like they were. I don't know. Either way, it's just a little rant I had to get off the chest...

Edit: Also, what happened to folks buying UNIQUE designs...? Now, they just want the same repeated crap designs cheap. They don't care if it looks like 50 others out there, they'll snatch it up. wtf? LOL!

/RANT

You forgot the /rant

Oh yeah, thanks.. lol. Must be the rum... Mm, it's good though.

moreover how many people are REALLY and DIRECTLY touched by the recession ? not that many in my opinion , they just use it as a way of negociation that is all

Yeah I know, it would be like Donald Trump or Bill Gates going around shopping, "I'll give you $5.00 dollars for that 1 in a million antique... hey, it's the recession!"... LOL! Nah, but I know what you're saying though. I think most just use it as a Bull_s_h_i_t line to get top dollar stuff for the price of rocks. Even though they're NOT affected by the "recession".

And it never fails to amaze me, each and every President of the U.S. of Fluckin A said how they would help the economy... It's funny, I haven't seen help for it in years. All I see is the USA going down the toilet farther and farther each day... To make matters worse, it won't be long before there's a "New World Order" where it's a One World Gov't. - okay, that's off-topic, probably leading to another whole debate in itself lol.

I honestly haven't met anyone who talks/writes as much as you do.

Originally Posted by jm I honestly haven't met anyone who talks/writes as much as you do.

Maybe so, but how else could the points get across in a two liner sentence..LOL! Most write novels on here, it's fine.

(Disclaimer: parts of this post may just be playing devil's advocate)

First, if you're going to swear then spell it properly and let the ****ing censor take care of it. The meaning would get across just the same.

Secondly, I think that the slump being seen is in part due to the designers (uh oh, making no friends here!) who would rather design for the super-low-end market with inferior products just for a quick buck (literally). You're supposed to be artists guys, yet there have been very few outstanding items put up for sale.

Personally, I'd take a good $500 template (or $1000 bespoke work) any day over the subpar works being offered for a tenth (or much less!) of the price. So, you only get paid once a month compared to a teeny tiny bit much more regularly. That's what being an artist is all about.

All that said, there are a lot of people seriously affected by the recession (or choosing to make it appear that way) who regardless of what is being offered can or will only look for those $10 templates and someone has got to cater for that market too.

Sorry Salathe, I should have just left the censor get it. Actually, I wasn't that mad about it when I wrote it. Hard to believe I know. But never the less, I agree with what you say too. I guess it's the "mature" side of me. LOL! Yes, I do have that as well. Sometimes I wrote a ****load to make points, but when you don't, you're "stupid".

Actually, no matter WHO the designer is, they're having troubles selling these days. Point in case, Chris's and JM's work usually went for their top dollar asking prices. However, lately, they haven't been. I've heard stories that some were getting their designs for near nothing on the back burners, and without others knowing of such offers. It sucks. I'd LOVE to grab a Chris Rowe design or JM's design, or Anthony design for near nothing.

I had an Anthony design, but it wasn't suited for my needs. Hence selling it off. Regardless, people usually DO pay good prices for designs. And I think with the way things are now with cash flow, people (designers) just aren't putting in their best work. I missed when I first joined (which was even late in the game), that good designs were pushed out and people paid good prices for them.

Bottom line is: Work is work. Designing is work, coding is work. People should get a fair amount of the money for their work. Not lower the prices to suit the economy crisis. I used to pay for good coders on here. I still would, if I had the money. Lack of sales, hurts the others. End result is, I have to TRADE OR... Code it myself. And I don't know PHP nor Javascript. Resulting in me having to get someone to do it for either trade or what-not.

I'd love to shell out a hundred to Gary, Gareth, Nick (Vizon), or whoever to code my stuff. It's just a domino effect here. Everyone gets nailed or hurting. Also, everyone tries to please the current market, to stay in a safe zone to make some spare cash. Design or code wise. Someone told me already, that it's up to the moderators and admins of the forums to make sure the sales are set right, the asking prices and etc.

We ALL know, that was in place here before and failed. You can't control prices of individual sales. Hence forum categories for either Budget or Premium. There's no way to force "buyers" to buy / pay at set prices. It's up to the sellers. But yes, it's a hard time now. But, Digitalpoint DID help take it down a few notches BEFORE this "recession" happened. Two or three months after I joined, folks from DP were coming here saying, "well, I can have so and so design or code this for half price!" ...

It's BS. Most are scammers as well. Honestly, I'm just getting back into designing again after years of letting it go... and there's no harm in trying to sell what I create regardless the market field. I'm no Chris Rowe, no Gurnk, no James McDonald... I'm just someone trying to learn and sell something to make at least a little profit for income, because the ONLINE income is all I have, if THAT. Ah well...I'm trying. LOL!

Edit: Oops, I wrote a novel. For all interested or not, the book will be on sale next month. /Sarcasm.

It's going to be like this for the next few years as well I'm not a good designer but when sales don't go through regularly you just think what's the point, i like doing design as a hobby but when you don't have time to do it unless you're getting paid for it i lose interest.